tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post7696810528107743554..comments2018-08-07T04:13:12.093-07:00Comments on Aditya Mohan: Aditya’s Parents' Question to Jet Airways and Aviation AuthoritiesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-38185422132107570242009-03-12T20:15:00.000-07:002009-03-12T20:15:00.000-07:00Hi I found out about this incident just a few days...Hi <BR/><BR/>I found out about this incident just a few days ago when I was planning atrip to India with my 4 months old daughter. I haven't been able to rest since then. Just looking at Aditya's picture brings tears to my eyes. I am so sorry you both had to go through this. I can imagine how dificut it is for you. Hearing your story, I cancelled my plan for going to India. I don't know, but may it is not safe for newborn's to take that long journey<BR/>I will pray that you both find the strength to move on. May his sould rest in peace. <BR/>As for your questions from Jet airways, its been a long time now. Hope fully, you have got some explanation from them by now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-32868101881012274872009-03-12T13:00:00.000-07:002009-03-12T13:00:00.000-07:00I am very sorry to hear about your loss. Being a p...I am very sorry to hear about your loss. Being a paret of a 4 month old daughter I can understand what you are going through. Please accet my condolences<BR/><BR/>I realize that its been quite long since that incident. Have you heard from Jet airways yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-23682908666669757102009-01-09T17:49:00.000-08:002009-01-09T17:49:00.000-08:00My heartfelt Condolescence to you and your family....My heartfelt Condolescence to you and your family. The incident made us cry thinking of the misfortune you and your wife underwent.<BR/><BR/> Today we have been provided with the itinerary to travel through the same route (Calgary-Toronto-Brussels-Delhi-Bangalore)and via same flight (9W 229) along with our just 6 week son,AKASH. Thanks to your BLOG that we happen to read and rejected the itinerary. Your work in the form of blog is not going in vain and its helping others. I pray GOD to give you your lost happiness.<BR/><BR/> Thank you once again from the bottom of my heart in cautioning parents like us by explicitly describing the bizarre incident.<BR/><BR/>From ANISH and SANJANAAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01731758296394325242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-64784792341025445232009-01-09T17:47:00.000-08:002009-01-09T17:47:00.000-08:00My heartfelt Condolescence to you and your family....My heartfelt Condolescence to you and your family. The incident made us cry thinking of the misfortune you and your wife underwent.<BR/><BR/> Today we have been provided with the itinerary to travel through the same route (Calgary-Toronto-Brussels-Delhi-Bangalore)and via same flight (9W 229) along with our just 6 week son,AKASH. Thanks to your BLOG that we happen to read and rejected the itinerary. Your work in the form of blog is not going in vain and its helping others. I pray GOD to give you your lost happiness.<BR/><BR/> Thank you once again from the bottom of my heart in cautioning parents like us by explicitly describing the bizarre incident.<BR/><BR/>From ANISH and SANJANAAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01731758296394325242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-31429576792033332842009-01-09T17:43:00.000-08:002009-01-09T17:43:00.000-08:00My heartfelt Condolescence to you and your family....My heartfelt Condolescence to you and your family. The incident made us cry thinking of the misfortune you and your wife underwent.<BR/><BR/> Today we have been provided with the itinerary to travel through the same route (Calgary-Toronto-Brussels-Delhi-Bangalore)and via same flight (9W 229) along with our just 6 week son,AKASH. Thanks to your BLOG that we happen to read and rejected the itinerary. Your work in the form of blog is not going in vain and its helping others. I pray GOD to give you your lost happiness.<BR/><BR/> Thank you once again from the bottom of my heart in cautioning parents like us by explicitly describing the bizarre incident.<BR/><BR/>From ANISH and SANJANAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-52533635128645815692008-10-10T20:03:00.000-07:002008-10-10T20:03:00.000-07:00Well I did not read the first post.I think what re...Well I did not read the first post.I think what really happened was the change in cabin pressure during descent.Since you and your wife also felt the extreme pain in your ears.I believe that must have been the cause for chocking as well. Also infants that young have just begin to learn how to suck milk and gulp it down. The baby accidently sucked the milk into its wind pipe as the descent caused change in cabin pressure. Also the baby may be in a horizontal position which further adds to the milk getting sucked into the wind pipe. Did the baby cough or burp or make any sound at all before it stopped breathing? <BR/>I really think the JET airways shd have stopped unloading passengers and called for a doctor on board or any medical assistance.Gaurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07958129885846765611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-80628789274239120982008-09-05T09:40:00.000-07:002008-09-05T09:40:00.000-07:00I am struck with griefI am struck with griefAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03299357109040389944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-55787820612766769852008-09-04T18:55:00.000-07:002008-09-04T18:55:00.000-07:00Dodo and Preeti who agrees with Dodo,Easy to preac...Dodo and Preeti who agrees with Dodo,<BR/>Easy to preach, isn't it? You two "fine human beings" chose to preach at this time of tragedy, even better.<BR/><BR/>It is not uncommon for babies to take flights, if it were a medical issue, the Airline Industry would prohibit such a travel you "know it alls". There is no such prohibition.<BR/><BR/>DODO, you say you are AGITATED, this is not the place for you to relieve your "AGITATION" Go break some bricks if you must! Your sorry does not cut it, and I repeat, this is not the time and place for your as you say "harsh comments" and preaching. If you are truly agitated and you care, go to travel forums and preach there.TenderMangoLeafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15059076487264479941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-54983670589352585242008-09-03T12:17:00.000-07:002008-09-03T12:17:00.000-07:00Aditya’s Dad,I am really saddened to read about th...Aditya’s Dad,<BR/><BR/>I am really saddened to read about this terrible news. I have heard of many ill-incidences related to air-travel not only with infants but with pregnant women as well. We are parent of a 5 month old baby. Our Doctor strictly prohibited flying an infant even for “short journey”, until he/she is at least 12 months old. It is always better to err on cautious side; hence we won’t be visiting India until she is at least 1-1/2-2 years old.<BR/><BR/>Now in regards to your fight,<BR/>You are taking right step by putting this incident on the web. However, you are not dealing with airlines/authorities in Canada/US or any first world country. You are dealing with India based airlines and airport authorities.<BR/>You can’t fight alone (even with petitions from thousand people) with system / beurocracy. You got to try old fashioned ways as well. <BR/><BR/>If I were you I would do following passionately until I get results? You can use your website as a platform for this. I am sure there are many readers who can help in some aspects of the following.<BR/><BR/>I) Send these details to every newspaper and TV stations in India and Canada/US as well. (some prints the news if you pay them some amount – { as a last resort you can use that} ). Certain TV programs are looking for (unfortunately) incidences like this. That could help.<BR/><BR/>II) I would get social-services (samaj-sevi) group in India involved. They can rattle the cage more effectively.<BR/><BR/>III) I would also get major political parties involved. You need to find links/contacts to get this moving. Unfortunately that’s how it works in India. <BR/><BR/>IV) I would also sue Jet airways and IGI. This would bind them legally to make statement as well as get involved in this case.<BR/><BR/>V) Write to PM/President if you can.<BR/><BR/>VI) Since you son was Canadian Citizen, he should have had rights that can be exercised, which would warrant Jet Airways to make a statement. Check on that angle with lawyers in Canada.<BR/><BR/>May be other folks can add more to this.<BR/><BR/>Again, my sincere sympathies for your loss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-52896832754416016012008-09-03T00:10:00.000-07:002008-09-03T00:10:00.000-07:00Being a parent myself I can only imagine what you ...Being a parent myself I can only imagine what you and your wife are going through. Please accept my heartfelt condolences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-71815955518667771472008-08-31T12:28:00.000-07:002008-08-31T12:28:00.000-07:00very sad indeed, but plz understand there is not m...very sad indeed, but plz understand there is not much we can do when in the air, im a pilot for an airline and i was a cabin crew before that, i understand what you are goin thru, but as i said we cant do much, pilots are simply busy with the hectic procedures when in descent,and the cabin crew are trained,they are trained well but u cannot expect them to be doctors right, me and my crew hav helped many passengers with heart attacks ,choking and various other problems, but its sad that no one appreciates. we fail once and everyone wants to sue us and punish us!!!! we are air crew not air Gods , i hope someone who reads this understands me and changes his mind,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-89713752745374898212008-08-30T22:44:00.000-07:002008-08-30T22:44:00.000-07:00My deepest condolences to the parents of Baby Adit...My deepest condolences to the parents of Baby Aditya. I am a mother as well and i know how it feels but the lack of an expertise paramedic on board is simply ridiculous. Jet Airways being a reputable airline must see that these basic safety and medical aids must be provided on board. Such irresponsible behaviour by the crew and the airport staff calls for a through investigation and i strongly support Aditya's parents in this initiative.Sreeja Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01149818612148739813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-9801615829873390402008-08-27T22:38:00.000-07:002008-08-27T22:38:00.000-07:00Having just about made it back after a few days in...Having just about made it back after a few days in an ICU after an aviation related incident which started with bad air and low air pressure onboard a Spicejet flight DEL-PNQ which took over 4 hours due to holds and delays, I have studied this subject as well as spoken with airline crew (cockpit and cabin) and followed up with aviation medicine specialists.<BR/><BR/>For openers, please search the term "toxic airplanes" or "toxic aviation".<BR/><BR/>Next, be aware that in the name of fuel economy, we are getting terrible air on board.<BR/><BR/>Finally. extra warm cabins and bad air pressure means one thing - the Commander and the airline have fiddled with the amount of recirculated air onboard and the air drawn through the engines, known as "bleed" air. This saves fuel, and the cockpit crew's bonus depends on this.<BR/><BR/>The RTI Act in India is one tool that will help at MoCA, DGCA and with BCAS. In addition, data on other such episodes can be sought, and brought forward.<BR/><BR/>Very sorry to hear about your deep personal loss, parents of Aditya, and more strength to you in taking this forward. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Here's the thread at airliners-india.net:-<BR/>http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=4382&mforum=airlinersindia<BR/><BR/>Here are my comments on the subject:-<BR/><BR/>One more aspect to the whole episode as well as to the larger issue of health onboard is that with larger number of passengers onboard and longer duration flights, the regulatory authorities as well as airlines need to start placing trained paramedics as well as maybe soon even doctors onboard aircraft. <BR/><BR/>Cabincrew are increasingly, especially with private airlines in India, selected for their looks and appearance. Beyond a very basic St. John's Ambulance/Red Cross First Aid Course, they get hardly any training in medical treatment, and believe me - having done one of those courses - 2 weeks, 2 hours in the evening goofing off and listening to boring lectures on "what is trauma" - they, OK most of them, have not the faintest clue of what a passenger having any of a variety of aviation induced problems is going through and how to react. <BR/><BR/>More interested in doing hisaab on food and goods sold onboard than anything else, can you expect petty salespersons to save your life on a plane? <BR/><BR/>First hand experience - when I was almost dying and collapsing in a front row seat onboard Spicejet on landing Pune about 45 days ago - and almost 15 minutes after the doors were opened but passengers were not disembarked from the front door because the airline was trying some new stunt of letting pax out only through the back door and the front ladder was ready only for taking the cleaning crew onboard AND the front cabin crew was having an argument with one of the other frontrow passengers about a missing wristwatch that she had tried to sell - all the cabin crew could do was try to restrain me onboard while I kept croaking "medical emergency medical emergency". I eventually just ran down the steps and fell into the hands of the CISF guys and local Spicejet staff who know me, are better trained for this, took one look at me, raced me to a fast taxi, and 15 minutes later I was in an ICU with high end medical interventions on. Left to the airline, I would have died inside their airplane if left to the tender mercies of the cabin crew. <BR/><BR/>So I understand where the couple who lost their baby are coming from. A trained paramedic racing to a collapsing baby would have done much more than a doctor summoned well after landing, especially a trained paramedic who has been on airplanes or is trained especially for aviation. <BR/><BR/>Incidentally - for ships - any ship having more than 12 passengers onboard needs a fully qualified medic onboard. In the old days, till a few decades ago, that meant a proper qualified ship's doctor. Nowadays you don't have such small passenger ships, but even a ferry crossing the English Channel in a few hours - has a full medical staff on board. <BR/><BR/>And the air we get on board ships is far cleaner than what we get on planes lately. <BR/><BR/>Forget all the fancy stuff served onboard - the airline which starts advertising emergency medical facilities onboard is going to be the one that really brings in a product differentiating it from others. 600-800 people inside a tube with restricted air without a doctor - even the most meagre of army camps with a few dozen people working at 10000 foot altitude have fully qualified medical personnel and facilities. <BR/><BR/>What do these multi billion dollar airplanes have? <BR/><BR/>Zilch. A lady in a tight skirt who would not know a stroke or heart attack if it happened in front of her in spades and buckets.<BR/>+++<BR/><BR/>My email address is veereshmalik at gmail dot com . . . and I have started using trains a lot more lately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-16797648913890436242008-08-26T18:14:00.000-07:002008-08-26T18:14:00.000-07:00My deepest condolences to the family. I can feel t...My deepest condolences to the family. I can feel the pain u must be undergoing. May god help you and your family in overcoming this extreme disaster in life.<BR/><BR/>Would like to share few tips, regarding travelling with babies as we cannot always blame or make someone else responsible when its too late. Self help is the best help when it comes to this kind of situation.<BR/><BR/>1) Try to avoid travelling with babies less than 1 year of age.<BR/>Even if u travel give the baby something to chew on for every landing n takeoff either a pacifier or a bottle nipple. This would prevent the choking hazard and also the weird sensation that is produced in the ears due to less oxygen supply. This might also lead to fatal effect. Atleast use ear plugs if they are not chewing on anything.<BR/><BR/>2. Parents should know some basic first aid knowledge.<BR/><BR/>3. Always have a check on baby even when he is sleeping.<BR/><BR/>4. Avoid breastfeeding while landing n take off. U can do bottle feeding-that too if the baby is feeling comfortable.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, once again. Will definitely support u by signing this petition.<BR/><BR/>ksnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-76692015439239932132008-08-26T09:43:00.000-07:002008-08-26T09:43:00.000-07:00I just called Jet Airways US toll free number (1-8...I just called Jet Airways US toll free number (1-877-835-9538). I told the Jet airways official that I had a 3 year old kid and I do not feel safe flying with Jet Airways anymore after the tragedy that happened with lovely Aditya. To my surprise, that person did not even know about the incident but he was anyway eager to help me (or grab my money).<BR/> I realise that Jet Airways is all about business and money. I am a dad and I'll certainly not fly Jet Airways. You guys should use your own heart and mind to figure out your plans.Allinhadronshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09412002947798726818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-70792289460266601382008-08-25T09:43:00.000-07:002008-08-25T09:43:00.000-07:00Cant believe Jet airways has not been responsive t...Cant believe Jet airways has not been responsive to you after this incident. After all, most of the Infy people travel by Jet airways for Europe/US travels. I think you should ask Infosys management to put more pressure on Jet.Karthikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16220308994866610093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-53737564243418828572008-08-22T12:26:00.000-07:002008-08-22T12:26:00.000-07:00Terribly sorry for this incident. Am now in tears ...Terribly sorry for this incident. Am now in tears after reading this incident. Wish such a thing never happens in future for any kid. <BR/><BR/>My deepest condolences to the parents. May the kid's soul rest in peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-34511412806591729642008-08-22T08:07:00.000-07:002008-08-22T08:07:00.000-07:00My sympathies to you and your family. Did you thin...My sympathies to you and your family. Did you think about contacting the media??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-75500623906865963502008-08-22T05:42:00.000-07:002008-08-22T05:42:00.000-07:00Really Really sad . I myself am mother of a 1 yr o...Really Really sad . I myself am mother of a 1 yr old and i can understand what the parents must be going through. <BR/><BR/>Sorry for your loss. May aditya's soul rest in peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-201574464251089432008-08-22T03:38:00.000-07:002008-08-22T03:38:00.000-07:00My sympathies to the Parents.My sympathies to the Parents.Santosh Maskarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14955967315350910565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-92002819235352806702008-08-21T23:58:00.000-07:002008-08-21T23:58:00.000-07:00Have you contemplated an FIR or legal action? It w...Have you contemplated an FIR or legal action? It will automatically lead to an investigation by an external agency (non Jet Airways).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-67825588955919228932008-08-21T23:57:00.000-07:002008-08-21T23:57:00.000-07:00My Sympathies.They say that all the staff should b...My Sympathies.<BR/><BR/>They say that all the staff should be well trained for international duties, and I think they took it light. The airlines has to answer.<BR/><BR/>With Jet Airways being questioned regularly on source of funds and its investors, at least they should make sure everything is alright in terms of emergency handling.<BR/><BR/>I did not get cotton roll to stuff in my ears, in a long flight from Delhi to Chennai. Luckily I was wearing a silk tie and tied it around my ears for 2.5 hours of flight duration. I developed ear pain, and it took a month<BR/><BR/>I ensured that I never travel the same airline again. (A point to make - during 1992 when I was returning after a trip to US, one side of the seat belt came off in the JFK to Frankfurt leg - I was immediately moved to first class and continued in same in the Bombay leg. They also gave me a free round trip US to India.)<BR/><BR/>Did you call Sharad Pawar, Praful Patel who are good politicians. Their numbers can be found on net.<BR/><BR/>Did the insurance company pay up?<BR/><BR/>-RameshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-40446310334847676832008-08-21T23:04:00.000-07:002008-08-21T23:04:00.000-07:00Very sad to hear this.My heartfelt condolences.Very sad to hear this.My heartfelt condolences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-46106552818666067452008-08-21T22:06:00.000-07:002008-08-21T22:06:00.000-07:00My condolences to the parents -- it is very tragic...My condolences to the parents -- it is very tragic. I know you will have the courage and strength to move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5144645383846968700.post-79194544724031857682008-08-21T22:01:00.000-07:002008-08-21T22:01:00.000-07:00The loss of an infant is terrible. Few things have...The loss of an infant is terrible. Few things have made me sadder. Please accept my sincere condolences. We can probe and analyze to extremes but for parents in general, I would add my two cents here -<BR/><BR/>1. Jet lags can be really stressful even for the strongest among people. Avoid travel with an infant, especially if it is to be breast fed. All other things can wait. The mother should always stay docked to earth. Think of the reason why people have to travel – to do business? to attend a function / see an ailing relative back home? Keep the kid out of the itinerary. It can always take that flight later in life, when (s)he is up to it.<BR/><BR/>2. Airlines are basically carriers and no hospitality chambers. No matter how well trained the crew is or how hospitable and accommodating the fellow passengers are, it’s after all a flying machine that you're in and its systems can always malfunction. Name of the airline or the class you fly hardly matters. The captain can hit all the right switches, turn all right knobs, yet the silly duct may have a block. As simple as that. Every flight you take is a risk and you’re actually winning a life lottery each time you have a safe touch down. Why put a kid through it all that it never asked for?<BR/><BR/>Mohan, I know it's tough but you should get over this over time. May God bless you with more children soon!Krishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03845854083034849173noreply@blogger.com